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There Is No Good: A PRB Refutation of the Idiot Mind

     Anyone still lingering here has read the ridiculous patter going back and forth between myself and a man named Jim who has courageously paraded his stupidity across these pages even after I have asked him to please stop. What the little peckerhead hasn't realized is that, up till now I've actually been polite, at least for me. I am so sick of his drivel that now the gloves are off. (Note: Believers who are easily offended might want to leave now, or at least start arming their deathsquads 'cause that's what offended religios ultimately do).

    My idiot friend posted in a comment on an earlier post that (and I quote) "It's a fact that there is a God" (capital his) to which I say pure and utter bullshit. There may be a god. I doubt it. There may not be a god, which is what I believe. But to state that it's a fact implies that it's provable. To prove there is a god one has to prove their knowledge of a) how the world began and b) what's going to happen to us when we die.

   Anyone, and I mean ANYONE (and, sorry Simmons but I think this includes you and many of yr loved ones) who claims to have such knowledge is either duped, stupid or both. Can one BELIEVE they have this knowledge? Sure! You can believe in the fucking Easter Bunny if you want, as long as you don't attempt to pass legislation based on yr belief in the fucking Easter Bunny. But to say you KNOW, that yr beliefs are true simply because you hold them so dear is so arrogant as to come close to narcissism.

 To me, god, heaven and spiritual redemption in the afterlife are clearly all constructs devised by the powerful to keep the powerless in check. Back in the day when the Church was the State, Popes ruled and robbed the peasantry of money and culture, co-opting pagan feastdays to fit their Christian fiction. And it is fiction, people, bullshit pure and simple. Virgin birth? I'm thinking the 15 yr old Mary got knocked up by Joseph (or worse, some shepherd) and claimed to have been visited by an angel. Folks in that time being far less sophisticated in thought than MOST of us today bought it hook line and parthenogenesis. Walking on water, rising from the dead: pure and utter bullshit sold down the centuries to millions of weak minds, weakened by the very power structures that have the most to gain from the continued acceptance of and fealty to these absurd fictions.

     But be sure to give them 10% tithe of what you make. Why? So these people can live in better houses than us while they tell us how unworthy we are in the eyes of some Lord their crew invented thousands of years ago? What exactly do priests and ministers DO for a living? Seriously, why do we take this shit? Why do we as a nation not question the absurdity of the position that absolute knowledge of life, death, good, evil and the creation of life can be gained by reading (and, most importantly, swallowing) one book.

    One fucking book who's 4 "gospels' don't even agree w/each other.

   And it seems to me that the ones who proclaim their faith and goodness the loudest are always the ones bombing the homes of other believers and looking for pieces of tail in men's rooms across the world. Not that I think there's anything wrong w/looking for tail in mens rooms. I don't do it, and if hit on I would politely demur but it's the hypocrisy that pisses me off. And one wouldn't have to be hypocritical if one didn't attempt to sell oneself as a believer/defender in something 'sacred'.

Say it w/me now: NOTHING IS SACRED!!!!! 'Sacred' is a concept devised by early religious 'leaders' to keep the proles from asking questions. At least that's the way I see it. My opinions have been formed from personal experiences w/religious folks who I run into everywhere who think it's their duty to 'save' me. And anytime I try to have an intelligent discussion about why I don't believe I'm always met w/shit like 'Well, the Bible says..." which is where I stop listening because the Bible is a hodgepodge of ancient and outdated laws and ghost written letters attributed to Saints and Jesus' friends, all of whom were like 400 yrs dead by the time the 'books' were allegedly written.

The Church in America, especially the Catholic Church has become a haven for pedophiles, a safehouse for stolen art and Lester knows how much fucking money changes hands between the Pope and the Mafia while thousands starve to death every day.

So don't tell me about yr fucking god, Jim. Please don't tell me about anything anymore because you know eactly as much as I do about the origin of the species and what happens when we die.

Which is absolutely fucking nothing.

Posted by: timbyrnes at 04:31 | link | comments (21)

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#1  04 March 2008 - 03:38

 

I can't know there's a God, eh?

But its OK for the hippies to "know" that its OK to stick their wee wee into another person's woo woo that they are not married to.

I can't know there's a God?

But hippies know darn well that its their right to have their own babies axed to pieces, and don't anybody DARE even think of telling them that they shouldn't.

I mean, lert's have a little talk about being too sure of oenself, here.

JIm

Anonymous

#2  04 March 2008 - 07:59

 

dude, jim's an idiot. just ignore him. don't stoop down to his level.

he obviously needs a god for his own security.

-dave

Anonymous

#3  04 March 2008 - 17:54

 

93 million miles from the blistering surafce of the sun is the planet earth. A rotating sphere perfectly suspended in the center of the universe. The ultimate creation from an infinate mind. An unbelievably intricate complex design. A supernatural testimony, an irrefutable sign that there is a God.

The size, position and angle of the earth is a scientific phenomenon to see. A few degrees closer to the sun we'd disintegrate, a few degrees furter we'd freeze. The axis of the earth is titled at a perfect 23 degree angle and it's no mistake that it is. This allows equal global distribution to the rays of the sun making it possible for the food chain to exist.

Or take for example the combination of nitrogen and oxygen in the atmosphere we breathe every day. It just happens to be the exact mix that life needs to prosper, it doesn't happen on any other planet that way.

You see, the Bible says the invisible things of God are seen through His creation. If there's a design, there's a designer, if there's a plan, there's a planner and if there's a miracle, there is a God.

There is a hope, there is a light
There is an answer to all answers
There is a flame that burns in the night
And I know, I know, I know there is a God

The Scripture says the heavens decalre the glory of God and the skies proclaim the work of His hands. If we allow our minds to drink in all the truth that surrounds the truth that just surrounds us, creation itself with help us understand.

Did you know the moon controls the tides, it's the maid that cleans the oceans. Even the waves don't crash the shores in vain. The tides drag impurities from the depths of the sea, it's nature's constrant recycling chain.

It simply boggles the mind to think that the stars will rotate with such exact precision that it's true. That the atomic clock with an error factor of less than three seconds per millenium is set by the way we move.

Though they silently orbit, the sun, the moon, the stars are like celestial evangelists above. Who circle the earth every 24 hours shouting in every languages that there is a God. Atheism is the wedge under the foundation of our faith, trying to topple our relationship with Christ. When the fool said in his heart, there is no God, he rejects the truth God painted on the canvas of the night. Atheism has never created an artistic masterpiece, never healed a fatal disease or calmed a fear. Atheism has never still given answers to our existence, peace to a troubled mind or even dried a tear.

For it's God who created heaven and earth and flung the stars in space and breathed in the handful of dirt and it became a man. It's God who sits on the circle of the earth and measures the mountains in a scale, and holds the seven seas in the palm of His hand. It's God who sent His only begotten Son to the cross of Calvary to save our souls from Hell and the grave. It's God who creates, God who delivers, God who heals and who is worthy of a thunderous ovation of praise.

There is a God, there is a God
And I know, I know, I know there is a God.

Anonymous

#4  04 March 2008 - 19:28

 

No, Jim, you believe there's a god. Big difference than knowing. As far as wee wees and abortion's go: I don't have indiscriminate sex and, as a male, cannot have an abortion and that's the extent of my involvement in the issue and, really, should be yrs, too. Personal responsibility is just that: personal.

And, BTW, I'm not an old hippie, I'm a young beatnik. The difference being beatniks read and never swallowed that whole 'peace and love' crap.
tb

timbyrnes

#5  04 March 2008 - 20:52

 

Dave, yeah I know he's an idiot but it
s just so much fun to see him get so apoplectic abouth things that we really have no knowledge of. Since he won't go away I continue to abuse.

Must be a little masochistic as well as deluded, huh?
tb

timbyrnes

#6  04 March 2008 - 21:54

 

Take it away, Bobby Z.

Jim

Ring them bells, ye heathen
From the city that dreams,
Ring them bells from the sanctuaries
Cross the valleys and streams,
For they're deep and they're wide
And the world's on its side
And time is running backwards
And so is the bride.

Ring them bells St. Peter
Where the four winds blow,
Ring them bells with an iron hand
So the people will know.
Oh it's rush hour now
On the wheel and the plow
And the sun is going down
Upon the sacred cow.

Ring them bells Sweet Martha,
For the poor man's son,
Ring them bells so the world will know
That God is one.
Oh the shepherd is asleep
Where the willows weep
And the mountains are filled
With lost sheep.

Ring them bells for the blind and the deaf,
Ring them bells for all of us who are left,
Ring them bells for the chosen few
Who will judge the many when the game is through.
Ring them bells, for the time that flies,
For the child that cries
When innocence dies.

Ring them bells St. Catherine
From the top of the room,
Ring them from the fortress
For the lilies that bloom.
Oh the lines are long
And the fighting is strong
And they're breaking down the distance
Between right and wrong.

Anonymous

#7  07 March 2008 - 01:30

 

What was the point of that? If Dylan believes than I should, too? Y'know Jim gentlemen should be able to agree to disagree and schmucks like you should just go away.
tb

timbyrnes

#8  07 March 2008 - 03:12

 

Well, I mean "its a woman's choice", and all of that nonsense; I mean, come on, get real.

I just truly feel empathy for our lost world, and Bob Dylan's requests for intercessory prayer in that song really echoes how I feel.

I mean, peoples' innocence is dying as we speak, people are making all kinds of terrible decisions. Guys like you can't even distinguish right from wrong. You've blurred the lines so bad, there's not even any hope of repair without your willingness for some divine intervention.

I was just retreating to intercessory prayer like us Catholics tend to do, that's all.

Jim

Anonymous

#9  07 March 2008 - 03:16

 

Well do it elsewhere. 'Well, I mean "its a woman's choice", and all of that nonsense; I mean, come on, get real. '

It IS the woman's choice no matter how many books you read or Dylan records you buy. Who/what gives you the right to define women's reproductive rights? What I find to be nonsense is you and people like you forcing yr supposed morals down the collective throat. When the Catholic Church stops ducking the law and covering for pedophiles maybe, and only maybe, then I'd give any of yr claims to the moral high ground any creedence. Again, Jim, this is my house and yr not wanted here. Post at yr own peril 'cause I'm gonna get less and less polite as time goes on.
tb

timbyrnes

#10  07 March 2008 - 03:24

 

"It IS the woman's choice no matter how many books you read or Dylan records you buy."

Like Dylan says, "and they're breaking down the distance between right and wrong."

You are living proof of that, Tim.

St. Catherine, pray for us. Ring them bells.

Jim

Anonymous

#11  07 March 2008 - 03:30

 

"Post at yr own peril 'cause I'm gonna get less and less polite as time goes on."

Who cares? Not me. You've already called me every name in the book, and made it clear that you're not fond of me.

I already said "All the best" in a previous post, and then you went and took the gloves off, forcing me to respond.

I'll try again.

All the best,
Jim

Anonymous

#12  07 March 2008 - 04:32

 

Forced you to respond. I've told you to go away.

timbyrnes

#13  07 March 2008 - 15:45

 

"Forced you to respond. I've told you to go away."

You realize that that's a completely factual cause-and-effect statement, right tim? :P

burninglight

#14  07 March 2008 - 20:12

 

No shit. Hey listen - sorry about giving you grief re: yr son in law. Having remained blissfully childless myself I really shouldn't comment on fatherhood issues. Now, having said that, would you even consider 'letting' yr daughter (I know how the religious in general - not YOU specifically - tend to view women as property) marry an atheist? Or is belief in god a prerequisite for decency?


Just askin',
tb

timbyrnes

#15  07 March 2008 - 20:27

 

Two TOTALLY separate questions, tim.

Just look at the friction from a conversation only ONE of us is really having about the subject, but due to coming from two totally different standpoints/worldviews.

Now, take that and put a lifetime commitment on it.

Again, I've been there to do mop-up more times than I can count. Even if when a couple stays together, it's often not pretty. It can be done, but I've seen it go bad more times than good.

Obviously, both partners being believers doesn't seal the deal either -- as statistics more than bear out -- but hopefully you get the point. When two people who are supposedly one flesh turn in two different directions when it gets tough.... well, it's enough to say that the even bigger shitstorm takes cares of itself.

burninglight

#16  07 March 2008 - 21:27

 

Now there's a reasonable answer. I get the point yr making and, again, sorry I've been so disagreeable lately. But world situations being what they are (campaigns to 'take America back for Christ' fer example) even though I love ya like a brother in law, the believer/non-believer dynamic is heading for blows and, although I regret we're on different sides, we're on different sides. I really think it sucks that something like religion, which admittedly looks REALLY good on paper, always turns to conflict. But, then again, I think everything sucks.
tb

timbyrnes

#17  07 March 2008 - 21:34

 

See? We disagree again. I only think MOST things suck. :P

burninglight

#18  07 March 2008 - 21:35

 

And so long as you don't love me like yr fat brother Christy, we're cool. :PPPP

burninglight

#19  09 March 2008 - 23:22

 

Man I've been a prickly little prick here lately and for that I'm sorry. Believe me even I'm sick of hearing me complain. I mean who really gives a rats ass whether I believe in god or not? If I'm wrong she'll take care of me, don't worry! And if I am wrong I hope I have the good grace to take my punishment w/middle finger raised rather than the whole 'weeping and gnashing of teeth' bit/ I mean. hoow undignified!

(and I believe I've copped to this elsewhere: I'm sure when the shit comes down I'll be screaming for a Republcan priest, but let a heathen dream and I'll leave you guys alone, too. Deal?
tb

timbyrnes

#20  16 April 2008 - 14:33

 

Tim

Been reading your blog for years, rarely leaving any comment. Haven't been here lately but glad to see you have been posting frequently (sorry about the fire).

Getting to my reason for comment. I thought I'd just throw a little fuel on the (religeous) fire here and maybe give you a few things to think about. The followig is a collection of random points (too lazy to organize them).

On the "church": Insitutions of human invention and as such susceptible to corruption - one and all.

On the "hokus-pokus" of religion. Devinity, miracles, plagues, the after-life etc. Too much time is spent here. Too much human equity is spent here at the cost of finding true meaning. A sidenote, remember that teaching circa ancient times was through parables. A lot of this stuff are just stories meant to teach (eg. Job). Other aspects are simbols. I say much better to spend time on....

The teachings of Jesus: Too little time is spent understanding how Jesus said we should live and even less time practicing it IMO. This is the CORE of christianity again IMO.

The existance of a supreme being: It is possible that you believe in the christian phylosophy on how to live and at the same time hold agnostic views on the existance of God. So if you haven't guessed, I'm a christian who doesn't hold an absolute belief in God. Note that eastern religions hold their phylosophy at core (eg. buddism) without having a supreme being.

On the books in the bible: If you haven't taken time to read some of the books that aren't in the bible, Tim, you should. Some interesting stuff, particularly those that suggest that "god" can only be found within ourselves (hmmmm). 'course you'll also find ones that say that there is an "evil" god that created earth (so we're living in hell so to speak - insert Lester comment here).

Hope i stirred the pot a little.

later.

Anonymous

#21  18 April 2008 - 22:50

 

I actually have read some of the Apocrypha, but I still hold that something written that long ago, withy whatever agenda has no meaning for me. I don't need a Lynchian backstory to convince me to be nice to people. (Although I like the Book of Thomas, I think, that says the kingdom of heaven is not found in rich buildings, I paraphrase of course)

Now I'm gonna walk away slowly, quietly and backwards so as to avoid this whole conversation.

timbyrnes

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